Comments on: Comments on the survey #3: .NET http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/ Life, .NET, and Cats Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:05:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Marcel Popescu http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6779 Marcel Popescu Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:31:21 +0000 http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6779 I have used Borland's Pascal since Turbo Pascal 3.0 on CP/M. I've always been a fan, against any other language... until Delphi 6. Delphi 7 was better, and then came Delphi 8. I am now a happy C# user. Yea, someday I'll try Chrome, but I don't think I care about Borland anymore. They started it. I have used Borland’s Pascal since Turbo Pascal 3.0 on CP/M. I’ve always been a fan, against any other language… until Delphi 6. Delphi 7 was better, and then came Delphi 8.

I am now a happy C# user. Yea, someday I’ll try Chrome, but I don’t think I care about Borland anymore. They started it.

]]> By: Barry J http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6248 Barry J Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:40:25 +0000 http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6248 Having used C# for two years now, I don't even see the advantage of having a Delphi plug for VS. C# is Borland's Pascal with all the modern conveniences and none of the bother. Cross compiling problems are not just the language itself, it's the RTL and how it works. I shall continue to use Delphi for Win32 applications, altho' with the announcement that Win95/8-WinME will not be supported may mean going back from D2007 to D7 again (at least the Help is there) In fact, I would jump at a C# for Win32 compiler! Having used C# for two years now, I don’t even see the advantage of having a Delphi plug for VS.

C# is Borland’s Pascal with all the modern conveniences and none of the bother. Cross compiling problems are not just the language itself, it’s the RTL and how it works.

I shall continue to use Delphi for Win32 applications, altho’ with the announcement that Win95/8-WinME will not be supported may mean going back from D2007 to D7 again (at least the Help is there)

In fact, I would jump at a C# for Win32 compiler!

]]> By: Joe http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6227 Joe Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:14:02 +0000 http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6227 I'm not sure what you mean by "arrow and home/end keys". Delphi's behavior with respect to cursor keys is pretty standard. And regarding .obj files, Delphi doesn't really use obj files. I'm guessing you're talking about C++Builder? (I've never really used it, so don't know much about it.) I’m not sure what you mean by “arrow and home/end keys”. Delphi’s behavior with respect to cursor keys is pretty standard.

And regarding .obj files, Delphi doesn’t really use obj files. I’m guessing you’re talking about C++Builder? (I’ve never really used it, so don’t know much about it.)

]]> By: Yogi Yang http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6225 Yogi Yang Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:45:01 +0000 http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6225 I totally agree with you. Delphi's IDE is pathetic as best, the code editor is also the worst case of a an editor that I have seen to date. It does not follow any fundamental working behavior that is built into windows like navigating cursor using arrow and home/end keys. It is really a headache . CG should adopt the policy of RemObjects and build only the compiler which works along with VS and let VS handle the rest as they are very bad in developing a good, stable and usable UI. In fact they have selected the wrong architecture right from the first by following the non standard file format for .OBJ files. They should have adopted the then universally acclaimed .COFF standard for their .OBJ files. It is this blunder that is really costing them.... I totally agree with you.

Delphi’s IDE is pathetic as best, the code editor is also the worst case of a an editor that I have seen to date. It does not follow any fundamental working behavior that is built into windows like navigating cursor using arrow and home/end keys. It is really a headache .

CG should adopt the policy of RemObjects and build only the compiler which works along with VS and let VS handle the rest as they are very bad in developing a good, stable and usable UI.

In fact they have selected the wrong architecture right from the first by following the non standard file format for .OBJ files. They should have adopted the then universally acclaimed .COFF standard for their .OBJ files.

It is this blunder that is really costing them….

]]> By: Joe http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6224 Joe Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:16:05 +0000 http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6224 Francis: Sorry about that; I haven't worked around all the IE bugs yet. It's fine if you look at the blog's <a href="http://blog.excastle.com/" rel="nofollow">main page</a>, or if you use a less-buggy browser like FireFox. I'll try to track down the problem when I get a chance. Francis: Sorry about that; I haven’t worked around all the IE bugs yet. It’s fine if you look at the blog’s main page, or if you use a less-buggy browser like FireFox. I’ll try to track down the problem when I get a chance.

]]> By: Francisco Ruiz http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6223 Francisco Ruiz Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:21:11 +0000 http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6223 For me is impossible to read your blog because the navigation panel is over the text, for example I only can read in the title "nts on the survey #3: .NET" I'm using internet explorer 6.0 Thanks Francis For me is impossible to read your blog because the navigation panel is over the text, for example I only can read in the title “nts on the survey #3: .NET” I’m using internet explorer 6.0

Thanks
Francis

]]> By: Chris Brandsma http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6216 Chris Brandsma Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:54:12 +0000 http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6216 Well, if they hae the experience with Eclipse already, why not port Delphi to Eclipse. I don't see an inherent benefit to porting things to Visual Studio. Well, if they hae the experience with Eclipse already, why not port Delphi to Eclipse. I don’t see an inherent benefit to porting things to Visual Studio.

]]> By: Lex Y. Li http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6214 Lex Y. Li Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:19:46 +0000 http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6214 JBuilder moves from PrimeTime IDE to Eclipse core, and it shines. So wonder what would happen if Delphi moves from Galileo to Visual Studio Shell. I don't like the idea of making a VS plug in for Delphi .NET. If time is right, why not moving Delphi for Win32, C++Builder to VS Shell because VS Shell is a free RCP platform. JBuilder moves from PrimeTime IDE to Eclipse core, and it shines. So wonder what would happen if Delphi moves from Galileo to Visual Studio Shell. I don’t like the idea of making a VS plug in for Delphi .NET. If time is right, why not moving Delphi for Win32, C++Builder to VS Shell because VS Shell is a free RCP platform.

]]> By: John E http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6210 John E Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:28:08 +0000 http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6210 This is a tough pill to swallow, but all your points appear to be accurate. It was interesting to see on the survey that CodeGear asked if a Delphi plug in for Visual Studio would be a product that would draw our dollars. Judging from the technology gap and the lack of resources at CodeGear... this maybe the only option to grow an uptodate .NET flavor of Delphi. Time will tell, but I would love to see CodeGear do the VS plug in. This is a tough pill to swallow, but all your points appear to be accurate. It was interesting to see on the survey that CodeGear asked if a Delphi plug in for Visual Studio would be a product that would draw our dollars. Judging from the technology gap and the lack of resources at CodeGear… this maybe the only option to grow an uptodate .NET flavor of Delphi. Time will tell, but I would love to see CodeGear do the VS plug in.

]]> By: Craig http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6208 Craig Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:55:45 +0000 http://blog.excastle.com/2008/02/26/comments-on-the-survey-3-net/#comment-6208 I have to agree. While Delphi is still great for native windows GUI applications, it is a total non-starter for .NET development. As 90% of my development is web now and not fat client Delphi is not even an option. As much as I have loved Borland and Delphi in the past, my connection is not so strong I can live with being several years behind MS in supporting the latest features. Exciting things are happening with .NET, the new version 3.5 is terrific. Unfortunately Delphi users may be years away from trying them out (if ever). I have to agree. While Delphi is still great for native windows GUI applications, it is a total non-starter for .NET development. As 90% of my development is web now and not fat client Delphi is not even an option. As much as I have loved Borland and Delphi in the past, my connection is not so strong I can live with being several years behind MS in supporting the latest features. Exciting things are happening with .NET, the new version 3.5 is terrific. Unfortunately Delphi users may be years away from trying them out (if ever).

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